How old are you?

[kirk]

hi keith-

let's get off this subject!

so, how do i post to the gallery?

k/z

Originally posted by kirk
hi keith-
let's get off this subject!
so, how do i post to the gallery?
k/z

Send the Photo to Avian and he will post it.

[Rick and Roll]

Kirk - are they "Acorn slipper socks"? Love those!

Roger - think there was a big gap from 1979 to 1990 where prog just was barren. that would explain the 30's dearth.

"The Great Nothing" is good - but I think it's just 6-7 minutes too long. Some songs can be that long, but others like that one and "Suite Hope Suite" by Salem Hill just drag and repeat a bit.

Dinosaur! There's a member I haven't seen for a while!

[kirk]

[quote]Originally posted by Rick and Roll
[b]Kirk - are they "Acorn slipper socks"? Love those!

you'll have to tell me about those, i've never heard of them.
those are clark's of england "treks".

(you won't find them on "the softer side of sears")

[Rick and Roll]

slipper socks have their own soles...you have shoes on...my bad.

they are wool socks with feet.

"treks", should make good xmas gift....

[kirk]

haha...interesting... an electronic playground,
stacks of keys, recording toys...
and a focus on....shoes...??

that's so refreshing compared to the
usual "what keys are you using kirk?" questions.

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by kirk

that's so refreshing compared to the
usual "what keys are you using kirk?" questions.

Personally, I was thinking "Gads, I'd give certain non-essential body parts to be able to make use of a setup like that..."

Roger -Dot- Lee, never understood how someone could play more than one or two of those things at the same time

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by kirk
haha...interesting... an electronic playground,
stacks of keys, recording toys...
and a focus on....shoes...??

that's so refreshing compared to the
usual "what keys are you using kirk?" questions.

I'm not a technical guy....see it kill it eat it that kind of thing (I could sell that lyric to Adrian Belew). I couldn't tell what you had there anyway.

Also, I don't like to hound musicians with fawning questions about things like that. If anything, I like to ask about the places people live.

That way I can stalk easier....

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by Rick and Roll

That way I can stalk easier....

*blink*

I'm in the one in New Mexico.

Roger -Dot- Lee, lookin' over his shoulder.

[kirk]

If anything, I like to ask about the places people live.

That way I can stalk easier....

hmmm.... i wonder why roine or neal never drop in?

y'know, it occurs to me that if i do everything right,
i may not be able to hang on fan sites LOL

i may provide some of the best stalking on the planet
from gig harbor wa.

[kirk]

roger- that's a rol. jp-8000 on top, a korg karma w/
orch. exp+mw software below, a rol.xp 60 w/ orch.exp,
a proteus 2000 rack unit. there's more offscreen,
including a 1956 black laquered hammond.
on screen is sonar producer 3.

i'd be glad to answer any tech questions.

ummm.... 10 1/2, rick .

i found this picture of downtown gig harbor-

[Rick and Roll]

Originally posted by kirk

ummm.... 10 1/2, rick .

i

10 wide for me. There we went into shoe sizes from ages.

[kirk]

well, you know what they say....big feet....big boots

[Steady Stan]

I'm 45. I was inadvertantly introduced to prog by my ex-stepfather, who was a late 50's singer-musician-music teacher (google "Vilas Craig" if you want) who had Close to the Edge on lp. When I played it, I didn't know what it was, but I knew I liked it. One year later, the Relayer tour was my 2nd concert (CSNY's first reunion tour was my first).

After that, I started scouring the used record bins at the local music stores. Discovered many bands that way. Listening to the Moon is a lot like going thru those bins (or a box of chocolates - sorry, Forrest), you never know what you're gonna get. Most of the time, they're tasty nuggets, sometimes chewy, sometimes nutty. But, every once in a while I want to spit one out. (Now I'm thinking, the caviar scene in "Big"... or Magma)

I still possess that glorious piece of vinyl that changed my life. The Moon continues to illuminate the musical path I prefer.

SS

[podakayne]

that my body pays attention to when i least expect it.

rick, mossy's right you remember too much...mossy get the moisterizers with dead sea salt in it...great stuff and smells heavenly....

Kirk, "you look marvelous" and probably don't have us all beat!

and hey Yspaz i side with roger on "the great nothing" for songs after the Golden Age of Prog...its perfectly structured...don't get me started on the masters...you know you cannot beat Close to the Edge, my altime top Yes song, second to Awaken...etc, etc, etc.

here's winkin at all the ageless beauties
(we know who you are)

[kirk]

awww... bless pod!

i'll have to give "the great nothing" a try based on
roger's and your recommendations.

i'm just now "getting my feet wet" on the new prog
bands (thanks to the moon).
i have to say that so far, my opinion would have to be
that it's been a long while since so much prog
has been available, but... i don't hear the quality
or individually unique approach of the masters.
most i've listened to so far seem to be (being kind)
"direct descendants" of the classic bands.
i've listened to 5 glasshammer tunes repeatedly,
and still couldn't repeat a single line from any of them.
IMO- there's a big element missing, the
"accessability" factor.

p e a c e kirk/zenpool

[Rick and Roll]

here I go.

What makes the "masters" so great to me was the combination of the rock element in the music, and the fact of being first doen't hurt.

However, I find a lot of newer prog to be worthy of praise. I try not to be too comparative. No one can really measure to the old, but the listening is still fun.

I am of the opinion that "The Great Nothing" is a mediocre tune. I just think it's too long, and runs out of steam after 10-15 minutes. But I am in the minority - and that's OK. The Beard has plenty of other great songs for me.

I've seen Glass Hammer three times (once in 1994). I was impressed at first, but it wore off for me. I prefer music with a bit more soul.

The drawback to these newer bands is that there is not a lot of money to be made. too many choices for the entertainment dollar. There are great artists...just tough to keep an audience. I cite the example of Echolyn, who after two very prog and absolutely excellent releases (plus an EP) embarked on a deal with Sony Records. They released what I feel is one of the ten best records of the past 15 years "As The World". It's stellar. However, the record company abandoned them, and the rest is history.

So they're out there. Bands like Djam Karet and Discipline and the Flower Kings are just as worthy to me as the forefathers. And there are newer bands that are are lot of fun - Izz, Strangefish, Salem Hill - and I'm sure there are many more that can be cited by those much more in the know than me.

And what I have found is that when I put on a classic, it sounds so much better!

[Roger -Dot- Lee(Admin)]

Originally posted by kirk
awww... bless pod!

i'll have to give "the great nothing" a try based on
roger's and your recommendations.

You won't be disappointed, I assure you. Very much in contrast to much of what passes as Music(TM) today is very light on what this particular song is very heavy on: plot. Story. It has something to say.

Can you find anything by Britney Spears that's much more than bump and grind pap?

I know I can't.

It's my personal opinion that Britney is most entertaining when the mute button is firmly engaged.

Strangely enough, all my daughters agree.

IMO- there's a big element missing, the
"accessability" factor.

p e a c e kirk/zenpool

I suppose this goes to what your definition of 'accessability' is. Is it LESS accessable than the unintelligible grunting that comes from a good deal of music in this day and age?

Is it MUSICALLY less accessable? What about such greats as "Frank Zappa"? More or less than that?

I guess my question is: what IS accessable?

(no, not "What is Prog." )

[Yesspaz]

Originally posted by kirk
i'm just now "getting my feet wet" on the new prog
bands (thanks to the moon).
... i don't hear the quality
or individually unique approach of the masters.
most i've listened to so far seem to be "direct descendants" of the classic bands.
there's a big element missing, the
"accessability" factor.

I agree that a lot of modern prog bands are retreads of old prog bands. I tend not to like these bands very much. For me the thing that is missing in some of the prog today is not "accessability" but rather "originality." Everyone "sounds like Yes meets Genesis" or "influenced by Renaissance and ELP," etc. Now being influenced is okay; trying to imitate is not. That's why I tend to gravitate towards new bands that are trying to do music that is geniunely new. Rovo, GYBE!, Fontanelle, Don Cab, The Appleseed Cast, and many others, might owe a lot to prog, but they are fresh and not rehashed. To use a standard music review staple, they honor thier heroes without worshiping them.


In saying all that, let me assue you I love a LOT of modern prog; just not crazy about mimic bands.

[kirk]

i suppose it's an emotional content that i find missing,
as rick said, "soul". i think that's the reason we tend to
wear out on bands like dream theater so quickly.
there's much of the surface sheen of the original
prog masters w/o the sense of drama.
citing "awaken" as likely the epitome of the genre,
and (again IMO) possibly the ultimate that can be achieved
w/ the standard rock instruments-
the tune takes the listener to peaks and valleys,
highs and lows, almost to a trance-like state...
sonic drugs .
to be honest, i haven't found any new prog that i enjoy
as well as crimson's "power to believe", or even
some of the tunes on "the ladder"("nine voices" i.e.).
roger water's "amused to death" is another example.
the old practicioners are still kicking the new guys.

rick may have touched on it, but i'd say the difference
of the masters and today's prog is that none of the
masters set out to be prog.
i believe that in some ways, prog's painted itself into a corner.
i.e.- the mandantory hammond, moog sounds,
the drawing the tune out ad nauseum when the idea
could've been expressed in the first 4 minutes.
if the artist tries to venture out of the box, cut new ground,
the old "not prog" rears it's head.

sure, i'd take it over britney backstreet, but then again,
i'd take willie nelson, johnny cash over her also...
or terry jacks for that matter.

that's just my opinion, i could be wrong.

k/z